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Usenet

Usenet is a system whereby messages can be shared between users using newsgroups. sci.lang.japan is one newsgroup.

What is Usenet?

Usenet is a system where messages can be exchanged between computers. Usenet is divided into "newsgroups", which are places where people come to talk about a particular topic. There are tens of thousands of newsgroups, and {{slj}} is just one of them.

If you have never used "Usenet" before, before you do anything else, and certainly before you post to the newsgroup, please read the posts in {{news|news.announce.newusers}}. Please try to be considerate to other newsgroup users.

Usenet is a fantastic resource, but it contains many traps for the unwary. This answer is intended to help you find your way around the pitfalls.

Some Usenet Lingo

Understanding the following terms will help you to get started with Usenet.

Binaries

"Binaries" means things such as digital photographs. Please don't post "binaries" in text newsgroups: put them on a web page and post the address (URL) or post them in an appropriate binary group. If you don't have a web page available, contact the maintainer for some temporary web space.

Cross-posts

Cross posting means posting an article to more than one newsgroup. It is usually considered best to avoid unnecessary cross-posting. If you really think cross-posting your article is appropriate, you can also use the `Followup-To:' header in your message to direct responses to appropriate newsgroups.

Email

Your post should contain an email address. It is common to use a fake email address, but this is a discourtesy to others. Some people may prefer not to post to the newsgroup, but to reply privately if their message is off-topic or they wish to lurk.

FAQ

means `Frequently Asked Question', in other words it's a question about Japanese which has worn out its welcome. Please check to see if this FAQ list answers your question before you post it.

Flame

Usenet lingo for "argument". See also troll. Flame can also be a verb. For example, a "newbie flamer" is someone who picks fights with new posters.

Google Groups

{{slj}} is not a part of Google. Although you can access the newsgroup through Google Groups, be warned that the Google Groups interface is inferior to that provided by a real newsreader. Messages posted through Google Groups may not function as they should, and so some posters might be put off replying to those who access the newsgroup via Google. The following information may be helpful:

If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use the "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers. - Keith Thompson

Killfile

A killfile is a feature of a newsreader which can automatically delete posts from people whose posts you don't want to read, and about topics you're not interested in. If you learn how to use this properly, you can save yourself a lot of irritation.

Lurking

If you think you would like to join the newsgroup as a "regular", it's a very good idea to spend some time (maybe a few weeks) reading the newsgroup but not posting in order to get a flavour of the topics discussed and the various personalities of the posters. This practice is called "lurking".

Newsreader

In order to read Usenet news, you need a piece of software called a newsreader. You also need access to a news server. Your ISP may provide a news server or you may need to use a news server provided by a third party such as News.Individual.NET. As with Email programs care must be taken with encoding issues to avoid mojibake.

=Outlook Express

= Outlook Express is a newsreader in common use made available by Microsoft without charge.

The default settings should be changed or posts in Japanese will quite likely end up with all Japanese text turned into question marks.

  • Tools → Options → Send → News sending format → Plain text settings → Message format → ● Mime → Encode Text using [None]
  • It is important that if the warning dialog "Message Character Set Conflict" is displayed you should choose "Send as Unicode" or "Cancel" but not "Send As Is".

    Appropriate encoding for Newsgroup posts in Japanese with Outlook Express include:

  • Japanese (JIS)
  • Unicode (UTF-8) (some older newsreaders may not be able to read Unicode posts).
  • Off-topic

    When people start talking about something other than the stated topic of the newsgroup, they are said to go "off-topic". When your response does not concern the Japanese language, please consider either using email or cross-posting to an appropriate newsgroup, and set `Followup-To:' so that further followups don't come back to the newsgroup.

    Quoting and attribution

    The attribution line (or lines) is used to determine who posted which text. In the following Cindy posted everything quoted with one > symbol, Sean posted everything quoted with two > symbols.

    Cindy said:
    >
    > Sean said:
    >>
    >> Blah
    >
    > Blah blah
    

    Blah blah blah

    Many posters consider it confusing or rude to strip attribution lines or to not quote appropriate amounts of text being replied to.
    For further details see How do I quote correctly in Usenet? - Quoting and Answering and How do I quote correctly in Usenet? - Attribution.

    Test posts

    Please don't make test posts to {{slj}}: use the special test newsgroups like {{news|alt.test}} for that.

    Topic drift

    Don't be surprised if, when you ask a question in a newsgroup, other people follow up your post but start talking about something else. This phenomenon is called topic drift.

    Top posting

    is the practice of adding to a discussion at the top of a previous message like this:

    Blah blah blah
    

    Cindy said: > > Blah blah > > Sean said: >> >> Blah

    Usenet traditionally uses "bottom posting":
    Cindy said:
    >
    > Sean said:
    >>
    >> Blah
    >
    > Blah blah
    

    Blah blah blah

    and many posters object to top posting.
    See also Why should I place my response below the quoted text?

    Trolls

    A troll is a person who enjoys flaming on newsgroups, perhaps by posting off-topic or otherwise provocative material. When you see something particularly outrageous, please consider whether it might be a troll (deliberate provocation) before responding, and perhaps consider using your killfile to ignore them.

    Some web pages with more information on Usenet

  • Playing nice on Usenet This recently-updated document gives details of how to post on Usenet.
  • Misusenet This site gives things to avoid doing on Usenet.
  • Usenet newbie page This page has information for people who are new to Usenet ("newbies").
  • Timo's FAQ materials: Of Usenet news netiquette and sundry Finnish Professor Timo Salmi has an extensive collection of material on how to use Usenet correctly.
  • Netmeister on Usenet
  • RFC 1855: Netiquette Guidelines (HTML version)